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Biggest distinction are those who view China as a regular country, or those who have those fanciful priors like Noah. Unfortunately, the latter is the more engaging worldview for clicks and us vs them.

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Hey Robert Wu! I appreciate your post. You said that we need to check out assumptions, which I admire. Therefore, I'd just like, as an American with an appreciation for China , who comes from the country that once was the last great empire to make a lot of mistakes, to point out some potential errors in your assumptions.

But let me first show where we agree:

1) The view that war will happen will lead to war. Yes. That is why we should always attempt to be polite and keep peace (or as the Chinese say, harmony) as our central aim. That and understanding. Which is why I am commenting to try to speak on behalf of Americans.

2) The view that influence can be bad. Agreed. America likes to talk a lot about the problem of one party states and lack of free speech, but they also often miss that our own society has errors in its system. Deep down everyone, regardless of political party, thinks this: Republicans worry about Tik Tok influencers spreading fake news and Democrats worry that people are beholden to Fox News. Actually, last election, Republicans too realized Fox News was biased.

Chinese will understand this too since the Cultural Revolution can be read as both a leader having too much sway as well as people sharing their opinions too much. The answer as always, is personal accountability, which all of us, regardless of country need to have.

Now for my issues with your assumptions. You seem a super smart dude, so I hope this can be the beginning of a great back and forth where we, as well as anyone reading this, can learn from one another. Debate can appear like arguing, but to me, I’ve always benefitted from debating with people with opposing positions. If I have made errors in my assumptions, I’d love for you to point them out.

Assumption 1: “It’s impossible to change one’s beliefs. A Muslim cannot become a Christian.” I was a Catholic growing up. I understand what groupthink can feel like. People can change, however. They must realize that emotion is as important as rationality. I was given rational reasons for why God didn’t exist but I’d only absorb them and use them to defend Christianity. However, once some Christian friends began excluding me for questioning the faith did I begin rationally listening to the atheist arguments. I am now an atheist. I know many Catholics who were once other Christians or Jews. This is why cross-relations between China and the US are crucial.

Assumption 2: “China is not expansionist. Expansionist empires use “us v.s them” phrases.” What are titles like this then: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195495.shtml? I am not saying this shows China is expansionist. I am just saying us v.s them language exists, as it does in the US. Again, this is why dialogue between people is important. I do worry that Chinese companies going abroad sometimes do not recruit local talent. This can be bad for everyone, as are European and American companies going to China who do not listen to their Chinese colleagues for advice on the market.

Assumption 3: “China’s leaders said it will have a peaceful rise.” Just because someone says something, especially politicians, doesn’t mean they will keep that promise. Plus, what is the Art of War? Should we ignore all the language in there about deception? Actually, a good example of saying one thing and doing another is the fact that we find Marxist icons in China but the CCP cracked down on Marxist college groups the other year. Lastly, if the CCP is still communist (even by name only), should we ignore Lenin’s writings that spoke about letting foreign capital in to basically gain the means for production? Perhaps linking Lenin to the modern day is over the top, but it should be addressed.

Assumption 4: “China is not insecure.” What then is the 100 years of humiliation taught in schools and spoken about in the media?

Assumption 5: “Tianxia was peaceful.” What were the wars between Tang and Guguryeo and then with Silla after they broke their alliance?

Assumption 6: “There is no great war on the horizon. Leaders won’t do the same as Stalin.” I am not sure, but many in the US fear there will be. Some in China worry too. There have always been worries concerning this. Granted, again, this is why we must continue talking!

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