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I'm not sure if you grew up in the US, but Noah's framing is undoubtedly a product of the US education system. The US history curriculum is nothing short of propaganda. I'm sure other countries' curricula do the same thing too to some degree as well, but the American one is criminal in how it completely neglects key parts of US history as well as eliminates any kind of class based viewpoints. Motivations are abstracted into vague concepts like "freedom", "democracy", "control" and "tyranny" with no deeper nuance or understanding. Noah's frequent usage of these words is very indicative of this type of thinking.

Americans' understanding of adversaries basically goes like this: "China is bad because they don't have freedom and democracy and their government has too much control". They are preprogrammed by the school system to accept these narratives uncritically. Since Chinese people didn't vote for Xi Jingping in an election, then China has no democracy and is therefore a tyranny and evil. This is especially ironic since Chinese people, when surveyed, consistently view their country as "more democratic" than US citizens to.

The US media actively promotes these types of misunderstandings which echo what they were taught in school. People like Noah actually believe that the CPC would be motivated by this abstract notion of simply "wanting control" as if money plays no role in the motivations of major actors in the world.

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Robert: Hi Noah, great post but I think some of the things you said aren't totally tr-

Noah: ONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON!!! NO TRIAL!

Anyway, this is a really useful series. It reminds me of an idea I came across from the American public intellectual Walter Lippman (from way back in 1922)- the idea of 'pseudo-environments'. The idea is that because the actual environment that humans experience (i.e. reality) is too complicated, we as humans have to create our own simplified mental model of reality, the pseudo-environment, in order to make sense of the world. Additionally each individual does not come up with their own pseudo-environment (at least most of the time), but gets one ready made, from the ideology and culture of their society.

In terms of international diplomacy and international peace therefore, it is absolutely essential that we do the kinds of things you do in these posts: engaging and making sense of other people's pseudo-environments and presenting people who may not undertstand our own pseudo-environment well with explanations of its internal logic and cultural/historical influences.

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